Posted by Martin Altink on November 24, 19101 at 16:33:28:
In Reply to: What to read then posted by Azdinne on April 25, 19101 at 19:37:59:
: : I currently consider myself to be a Messianic Jew
: : (not a Jew for Jesus)-- believe in Yeshua the Messiah
: : along with the Torah and Brit Hadasha. At the same
: : time I'm trying to learn/understand the other 'forms'
: : of Jews/Judaism (though most don't consider Messianic
: : Judaism a Jewish movement:
: : http://shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/02-02.html ).
: : I've tried to get a basic understanding of each of the
: : movements (Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, Conservadox,
: : Reconstructionist, Hidic/Chidic, ???).
: : Is there a site on the web, book for purchase or could
: : someone give me a basic overview of the 'known
: : movements'. What I'm looking for is what each groups
: : believes (doesn't believe), what the follow, etc.
: : The way I could describe what I know about what I
: : know of what I follow (Messianic Judaism) is what I've
: : stated above-- yet I've seen different beliefs/ideas
: : among:
: : 1- some say that the Messiah came (Yeshua- Hebrew,
: : Jesus- Greek, etc.) and that He got rid of the 613
: : Laws (yet from what I've read, understand, know-
: : Yeshua followed the law and was the Living Torah for
: : those to know/understand-- that He never claimed the
: : laws were done with and not to follow them)-- plus
: : this would be saying the Hashem made a mistake in
: : creating the laws (saying that Hashem can err and make
: : mistakes) and that the Messiah was here to correct it
: : 2- others claim Yeshua came and now they can do as they
: : please (because they are saved once and no matter what
: : they do they can't be 'unsaved'- yet the Torah teaches
: : of being lukewarm, backslidden, fallen-- Solomon is
: : a good example, he started out good but later on turned
: : from the Lord (Hashem)
: : 3- others claim Yeshua hasn't come, but He will soon
: : come (yet don't state how one should act/live till then)
: : 4- and even others say Yeshua came, but they should
: : only follow what was originally given to them (613
: : Laws)
: : So as you can see...I'm confussed by the different
: : movements or types of Jews/Judaism...
: : This is a site that also claims Messianic Judaism
: : is a false religion and states that on the Messiah
: : can come in the future (not from the past)-- though
: : they use references they don't use other references
: : from the same pages or books (i.e. they don't
: : mention Isaiah 53 or others refering the Messiah)
: : http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm
: : Any info on the differnet forms of Judaism is much
: : appreciated-- I need to understand where each group
: : stands and perhaps why (I more or less undestand
: : Reform, Orthodox and Conservative- though I get mixed
: : ideas from different sites)...
: : Shalom,
: : Matt
: Try the Pauline Epistles. Why reinvent the wheel?
Tell me about this Pauline Epistles? What movement is this?
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